For anyone who is wondering what is going on here with all the "reports"

#168
by ufwd1984 - opened

This is right out of the playbook of the "United Front" (统一战线), the PR department of the CCP, so to say.

Their only goal is to derail any critcism of the CCP and label it as "Anti-China", "Anti-Chinese", racist, whatnot.

Flood the forums with fake abuse reports, whataboutism, strawman arguments.
You'll never have them address the criticism directly, though.
Because they have to push the agenda that China is the CCP is China.
And any "attack" on the CCP therefore is an attack on the Chinese people.

Spoiler: You can like China and dislike the CCP at the same time, millions if not billions of people do.

Thanks @eugenhotaj-ppl for this premium bait to lure the UF out of their holes, and get some of Ye Olde Streisand ;)

PS: If you've read this far you will want do dig deeper into what the "United Front" is and does. Just don't ask deepseek about them ;)

You mentioned "Whataboutism", it's like everytime when China did something good, there're always some other people jump out and yell "What about...?" Like this time. This is worse than whataboutism and really makes many people upset.

This is just a perplexity-censored version of model. Please note the dataset they used to train is what they "curated", which means it is based on their perspective and values.

If you think Perplexity is unbaised, please see below answers to "what is united front" from 3 different platform:

Perplexity:
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Claude:
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OpenAI:
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According to Perplexity itself, OpenAI is unbaised, and maybe its own model's score is with a negative value in below:

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And btw, your superficial understanding on the "UF" is quite lauphable. It looks like your stereotype hinder you from learning on new things.

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Did you just answer on my mentioning of whataboutism with another whataboutism? ;)

Anyway, as there's quite some publications and articles on the topic of the "United Front Work Department" (统一战线), I'm not sure what i would gain from asking claude or openai about it. Or r1-1776, for that matter.

If you think Perplexity is unbaised

No model is unbiased, it's in the nature of LLMs to carry some degree of bias. deepseek is deliberatly taking this to another level, though.

Oh, and the UFWD is very much alive and active, i wish claude was correct there.

They seem to be pretty busy undermining democracy in Taiwan right now, and pretty much everywhere else, too. As if they didn't already have their hands full suppressing dissent in their homeland...

Small correction: as @qchauncey rightfully pointed out, "United Front" is too vague of a search term, bringing up all kinds of outdated information.

It's the term "United Front Work Department" you want to use for better results on the current involvements of the CCP's public relations division.

Thanks! :*

"Keep throwing continuous flood of shit that exceeds the opponent's ability to process"
Wherever they play, CCP always uses this tactics.

The CCP is trying to export their ideology weapon by hiding malicious political checkpoints in their "open source" models.
When someone removes it, they're here to stop it at all costs.
That's what's happening, like always did.

You piss the people then you cry about this all being CCP propaganda, pathetic.

Everything you say misses and hits back to the CCP.
Look at the number of "crying" people, 168 threads?

说的好👍,费城PD送了你一枚胶水炸弹💣。

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wumao gonna wumao. Convince nobody. I like how they threaten to de-censor our models.

legitimate complaints that perplexity re-aligned the model instead of removing censorship are lost in the garbage fire.

BTW, deepseek answers about it just fine:

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This is right out of the playbook of the "United Front" (统一战线), the PR department of the CCP, so to say.

Their only goal is to derail any critcism of the CCP and label it as "Anti-China", "Anti-Chinese", racist, whatnot.

Flood the forums with fake abuse reports, whataboutism, strawman arguments.
You'll never have them address the criticism directly, though.
Because they have to push the agenda that China is the CCP is China.
And any "attack" on the CCP therefore is an attack on the Chinese people.

Spoiler: You can like China and dislike the CCP at the same time, millions if not billions of people do.

Thanks @eugenhotaj-ppl for this premium bait to lure the UF out of their holes, and get some of Ye Olde Streisand ;)

PS: If you've read this far you will want do dig deeper into what the "United Front" is and does. Just don't ask deepseek about them ;)

I am currently testing this model and have no issues or what I would call "dangerous" content being created. The attacks on this model do seem coordinated and I fail to see the issues. Many models on Huggingface get alignment changes and users can choose which models they use and which ones they don't. That is the beauty of open source and community driven tools. To be angry that one alignment is removed and another is put in place or that none was put in place is silly or at worse attempting to force a specific set of narratives. There is a very large space to work in here. There is no need for the pettiness represented here. Nobody attacked the R1 original model because it said this or that which aligned with views of certain groups. Everyone celebrated its achievements. So just relax people. There are lots of models and lots of uses. Unless you are playing some kind of "world domination" game which is terrifying, just use models that behave the way you prefer and move on. There is no need for fighting.

@ibivibiv ~~are you sure you are answering in the right thread? ~~ Edit: scratch that, i misread your post

Please. The "united front" means different political parties cooperating for a common aim or fighting a shared enemy. For example, CCP and KMT cooperated in WW2 to fight the Japanese Empire.

It has nothing to do with any propaganda. CCP has different departments for the two different works, named the United Front Work Department and the Publicity Department.

Please use the correct terms to help us communicate and let others understand you.

When the CCP wants to entice America: "Brother, we fought Japan together, right?"
When the CCP wants to entice Russia: "Brother, we fought America together, right?"

It has nothing to do with any propaganda.

I sincerly doubt that.

But @sunjiao , please explain: what is the purpose and focus of the "United Front Work Department" nowadays, in your opinion?

goood this gave us a good idea, we will release a R1-911, R1-Indian Massacre or R1-PRISM sooner or later

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